The speaker will be convinced if LDL-P is shown to be atherogenic independent of remnant lipoproteins, high HDL, or low triglycerides.

“I am on a journey of science not of advocacy I'm gonna be quite a skeptic but all of that said if I come to a point in which I can feel convinced that LDL P is in fact atherogenic absent remnant lipoproteins absent having high HDL low triglycerides but we already know it's absent remnant lipoproteins I mean there's a thousand studies including this to demonstrate that the average Anisa t between these people and these people I'm pointing to the Garvey study has nothing to do with what may or may not be remnants the LDL P alone here”