What we call uh this is too much low carb this is physiologic insulin resistance that is taken to a whole new level and if you're worried about glycation if you're worried about advanced glycation end products i think that a lot of that happens endogenously but that person is going to have a very high hemoglobin a1c on the order of six plus on a zero carb diet so that's where zero carb goes all wrong in terms of blood sugar and that's a real problem