she actually set out in her thesis at Harvard um to study the effects of exercise and her advisor said to her I think all the effects of exercise are Placebo and it was kind of a it was a it was a prompt to go actually look at that and she thought well that's crazy Ali's a former D1 athlete she's also trained clinical psychologist runs a lab at Stanford she's one of these superhumans but she said well that's crazy no exercise changes blood pressure by way of a number of different physiological mechanisms but