now let's get one more idea across which is there are shoes that have cushioning that have no heel raise i'm blanking on a brand i have a friend who wears them and i think it starts with an a but i could be wrong but it's got about a three-quarter inch sole but it's the same at the front and the back so it has zero elevation of the heel but it has some cushioning and of course we wouldn't consider that a minimalist shoe would we