Engaging in playful movement, such as surfing, is a valuable approach to health and longevity.

“your surf is a combination of your exercise and your movement yeah there's certainly Sprint efforts in there when you're trying to catch a wave right but there's a lot of kind of Meandering on top of the water but it's very playful it brings you Joy so you're optimizing for that and I think that's a very important point”

“so you're optimizing for that and I think that's a very important point we don't want to miss in this step is it's not always balls to the wall go as hard as you can and wreck yourself it's about you know what you want to be able to do what brings you Joy and”