it's this this point where effort is high but uh sort of the end product is minimally useful um and if you can think about uh athletes who may go out and thrash themselves at threshold for like an hour and do that every day it's very hard right and then it feels really hard but in terms of physiological adaptations that improve performance there's a big gap between how hard it is and benefits exactly yeah it's it's not it's it's too hard to give them the wide aerobic base and not hard enough to give them that Peak Performance