I think that for some people who have been insulin resistant in the past the satiety signaling pathways can be broken and this involves leptin resistance and what appears to be beneficial for this is extended fasting I think that's people on carnivore diets if they are if they go to a lot of people if they go keto to carnivore or paleo or standard American to Karan where they will lose weight and for people who have a lot of weight to lose like we're talking 50 to 100 to 200 pounds there sometimes appears to be a plateau and I think that when people hit the plateau it's not that they need to increase protein and decrease fad which we know which would be the advice of like Ted naman or other people on the community saying you need to eat less fat and basically you're gonna starve yourself with rabbit starvation to lose weight I think what they need to do is fast