Some Gleason 4+3 prostate cancers with low Decipher scores may be candidates to avoid androgen deprivation therapy.

“and even some 4 plus 3s that have load deciphers are potentially candidates to avoid that”

“so that artera test can help us differentiate between a unfavorable and a favorable intermediate risk patient and essentially actually I treated my own father not too long ago he was the first person I did this on uh the artera test is essentially they just use the actual images of the H& slides that were already done from the pathologist and it's interpreted by a machine uh machine learning computer that has been trained on hundreds of thousands of prostate images from the old RTOG studies the 94s all the all the stuff that was done back in the '90s and it can now come back and say okay very much like decipher it can say that this is a 3+4 but it's a favorable or an unfavorable person in that in that subgroup”

“but one of the things that's really changing now is I know Ted talked a lot about with the decipher score where they can look at the chromosomes of the actual cancer cells and have a much more granular view of exactly are they are they truly high risk or can you can you uh uh maybe say that this one 3+ 3+ 4 is more like a 3+ 3 so we can so for a lot of the 3 plus4s now with the decipher test and there's also an an AI test i know you had a really interesting discussion with your AI uh expert that wasn't too long ago uh called artera and we're using that that's actually in the NCCN guidelines now”