Paul Saladino· MD
that's we could describe that as like more more of a vertical experience down to the underworld so to speak in a particular way that's like in touch with nature in touch with the planet also in touch with my own soul and my own soul nature as well as an upper world experience back in touch with god divinity the source of all that is however we choose to name that so all of these relational levels are getting explored even if a person is atheist or agnostic there's still the experience of something outside of the known ego and that's essentially what transpersonal means just outside of the norm expanding beyond like the veil or the limits of where my ego had held its known reality