Observational epidemiological studies in Eastern countries show men who eat the most meat have the lowest rates of heart disease, and women who eat the most meat have the lowest rates of cancer.

“when we do studies that are observational epidemiology in the east across thailand singapore china other countries we don't see the same thing and we see a very different trend and so in my discussions with plant-based advocates who love to rely heavily on observational epidemiology because that is one of the only positions that they can take they really don't have much answer for the the counterpoint that if you look at these large studies done in asia with two hundred thousand to three hundred thousand people over four to eight years you find a very different different association you find that the men who eat the most meat have the lowest rates of heart disease and the women who eat the most who eat the most meat have the lowest rates of cancer”