we're going to talk about this kind of same levels of um relationality the intrapersonal process which means what's happening within me going on in a psychedelic state a psychedelic medicine experience you have an interpersonal process what's happening between me and the facilitator the other relationships around me and you have a trans-personal process that's we could describe that as like more more of a vertical experience down to the underworld so to speak in a particular way that's like in touch with nature in touch with the planet also in touch with my own soul and my own soul nature as well