It took three to four days of a meditation retreat to feel relaxed and less compelled to check electronic devices.

“It takes that long to relax. And so, the first day sitting in the hall, everybody was like, you know, we'd be like, "Okay, quiet time." And people, you could hear them wrestling, and sniffling, and coughing, and adjusting. By the last day, you could hear a pin drop in that room of 100 people because we'd all actually chilled out.”