Purpose can be found in activities that are intrinsically rewarding, even if they are not financially compensated or considered traditional work.

“You call it work, but it's also stuff that you would probably do in your spare time, even if it was uncompensated, even if you thought of it as fun. I enjoy this. You don't take ads for this podcast, right? You have made a decision. This is a this is a hobby for you. Very impactful, very successful hobby, but it's not work, but you define it as work. You feel a sense of obligation to it because it fulfills a purpose for you.”