Breaking cycles of compulsive behavior and complex PTSD requires practicing uncomfortable actions that differ from long-standing patterns.

“It's very very difficult A lot of folks they think that change is about announcing what that they know what they're about to do right I know this is going to sound codependent All right Well if you're firing on all pistons as a therapist the response should be then don't say it right Because there's enough muscle memory there We need to practice the uncomfortable thing of not saying the thing you've been saying for years not doing the same”

“I think much of my work with clients individually in groups what have you with human beings is finding the gray right Um but I tell you what when it comes to compulsive behaviors complex post-traumatic stress these things that we've been doing for years and decades um you're either I'm either strengthening an old connection or I'm building a new one you know And so that's back to the when those clients say "What should I do when I leave this group room?" do something different and experience what it's like to do something different”