An alternative argument suggests that if caloric intake is properly accounted for, processed foods may not be inherently problematic, at least on a primary or secondary level.

“You know, you would you would force a change in the system that would would lead to healthier outcomes. Um, and of course I've read other very compelling arguments that say, look, if you actually correct for caloric intake, there's nothing per se that is wrong with a processed food, um, at least to the first order, second order potentially.”