There is a distinction between chemicals in meat and organs derived from plants after animal detoxification and chemicals found in fruits, suggesting a difference in their net effect compared to plant defense chemicals.

“i think there's a distinction between the chemicals that end up in meat and organs from plants after animals have in a way detoxified them and the chemicals that are found in fruits which are not highly defended and things like isothiocyanates or other molecules even like curcumin found in turmeric which clearly appear to have a net negative effect”