An apoB of 80 or 90 may represent an individual's optimal level if they eat a nutrient-rich, low-processed diet with good insulin sensitivity and thyroid function.

“if someone is eating a uh very low processed food diet and they're eating nutrient-rich foods and they're getting a mix of macronutrients then and their their insulin sensitive and their thyroid is good as far as high level metrics then if their LDL is you know if their apob is 90 or 80 then well that's where your body wants to be”