The argument that cooking food creates toxins and meat should be avoided was used to promote raw vegan diets.

“And there was some idea that like cooking food is bad and creates toxins, and the fact that you're obviously cooking meat, and then I think I got into like David Wolfe, this like kind of sticky ve This like vegan guy that's I think is very passionate or used to be very passionate and had the ability to dissuade a lot of people or persuade a lot of people.”