a big issue is that the other factor that goes on is tongue posture because the tongue is is an organ that slings to the base of the skull right down to the hyoid bone here and when the tongue is up and it's kind of a movement like this when the tongue is up like that and that's that's where the back of it is up to the soft palate it's actually all of those muscles of the tongue you look at the picture of it it's kind of open like this so we should that's our posture that's our rest posture his tongue to the roof of the mouth and right to the back it's a very difficult um kind of movement to do we don't have this this posture anymore so we've got people that are kind of low tongue