Interventions like carbohydrates and statins can be used as tools, as nothing in nutrition is entirely good or bad.

“nothing is all good and nothing is all bad and mark has been really illustrating that to me half as we go through he goes see carbs we're all bad right see they're all bad and it's like well no now I can see how you can use them as a tool right and then statins are all bad no no now we can see how we can use them as a tool”