Moderate amounts of red meat and saturated fat are consistent with human evolutionary history and are not inherently toxic.

“saturated fat you know a little bit of butter is not going to kill you you know like like if you're a vegan there's nothing you can eat that'll be healthier for you than like a juicy steak that's not it's not overdone you know because because you're probably low in in the things like b12 and zinc and iron and high quality protein so yeah it's it's a natural food and in moderation”