Diagnosing gut dysbiosis or poor gut health is more challenging and less defined than diagnosing type 2 diabetes.

“I mean one of the things that I've found difficult is finding valid commercial tests that can enable patients or physicians to understand if they're in this sort of regulated state I mean I to me the black box is when someone comes in and says I have got dysbiosis or I have poor gut health but it's very different than someone who says I have type 2 diabetes where we have really clear ways to diagnose it we kind of have some understanding what the pathophysiology is here this is much more squishy”