you know i never really thought of it that way but that's you know as you know if you go on a hunting trip that's another thing people don't understand like if you're going out there to try to you know kill an elk or a deer like it's going to take you a week and like my first elk hunt seven days later i didn't have an elk yeah like that's not uncommon yeah not uncommon at all and i would i think most i mean the success i don't know what the success rate is it's maybe like 20 i would say for the average person it depends obviously but in public land it's really got to be pretty low yeah