RP rate of perceived exertion we give people the test which is the tox test so when you're in zone 2 you should be able to speak to somebody but it should be uncomfortable and not something you want to do if you can't speak you're out of Zone 2 if it's really if you can't speak in a full sentence you're not in zone two anymore you're you're you're north of zone two if you can speak the way you and I are speaking now you're you're not working hard enough you're too far below it so there is that sweet spot where if you're on that pet on and the phone rings and you answer it the person knows you're exercising and you're going to let them do most of the talking but if they ask you a question and you have to answer it you'll you'll answer it and you can speak in a full sentence but you're not that comfortable that's the single most important thing people need to understand about it