a ketogenic state is treated as it should be for me which is a hormetic stressor i do it and i look at the train low studies you know the sleep low studies and that's how i look at my ketogenic diet and i look at it in the sense of okay if i want to train in a very deprived state i can put myself in a caloric box and put myself in this extreme deficit or i can get a similar hermetic stressor by putting myself deep into a ketogenic state training at high intensities and then interestingly enough when i do introduce carbohydrates or fruit back into the picture more aggressively i actually feel like i'm getting dual benefit like i'm almost getting the that metabolic flexibility that i want