Understanding psychology, particularly psychodynamic principles, is crucial for helping individuals alongside neurobiology.

“being in a place that was kind of steeped in an older analytic tradition really helped me kind of embrace this belief that understanding psychology and certainly from the perspective of what's psychodynamic right the things that influence and motivate us that are in our unconscious you know the gigantic part of the iceberg that's underneath the water but that is most deterministic of our behaviors and our choices and our feelings and being able to integrate that with the brain biology upon which it rests I think is I think it's the way to at least try and have the most broad set of abilities to try and help people”