Some people experience negative effects from gluten even if not clinically diagnosed as gluten intolerant.

“So, what we're trying to do here, I guess, is um there's the science, uh, which we'll get into, and then there's people's experience. Yeah. And as you pointed out, people can't get around their own experience, and they probably shouldn't, right? I think, um, the whole world is done listening to people tell them that their experience isn't real, right? And that's what a lot of I think the um, confusion in the world of nutrition is about.”