An ideal animal-based diet includes moderate red meat, organ meats, and healthy fats, prepared to avoid polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.

“maybe the ideal animal-based diet is not excessive amounts of red meat maybe it's just that on a Goldilocks amount of really good red meat with organ meats and good fat and you know that nose-to-tail kind of thing well cooked in a way that doesn't have lots of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons”