The benefits of infrared saunas are not yet known to be equivalent to dry saunas, and the existing literature primarily focuses on dry saunas.

“And what tell me more about the IR because there are no questions I get asked more than hey are all the benefits you're talking about which all seem to come from studies in dry sauna are they also applicable to to infrared saunas to which the only data I can find is if you're using infrared you actually have to rely on the change in skin temperature to know you've hit the whereas in in dry sauna we can look at time and temperature and humidity right like if I know the temperature of the sauna the humidity of the sauna and the duration that you're in there. I know what I know how to measure the effect size. We can't do that in IR.”

“So we looked at some data that that looked at basically thermal skin change and I I can't remember the number so I don't want to get it wrong it was either five or eight degree increase in skin temperature was necessary to produce similar benefits.”

“most all studies have been done with classic dry sauna.”