Andrew Huberman· PhD
There are however, some excellent papers from really terrific groups. One of them is a paper that was published in nature last year, 2020. First author is Vesuna, Sam Vesuna, V-E-S-U-N-A, and the last author and the lead on the study, who was Dr. Karl Deisseroth, who was a guest on the Huberman Lab podcast a few months ago. He's world expert in neuroscience, he's a psychiatrist. And this paper from Sam Vesuna and Karl and colleagues explored how these dissociative states come about. And they looked at this both in animals and in humans and found that there was a, essentially a common mechanism whereby a particular layer of cortex, so your brain has this outer shell of tissue that is called the neocortex. It's where our perceptions lie, it's where our associations lie, it's a very important area for processing decision-making and planning, et cetera. It's literally stacks of cells, and one of those layers in the stack of cells is layer five. And the layer five neurons in particular, went into a