the other piece of this equation that I think is so interesting that you Illustrated that's hawk was that fasting can increase LDL and there and to talk about that a little bit so fasting is an extreme example of a low-carb diet because when you're fasting you're gonna run out of carbohydrates you know if you're practicing low-carb within probably about 8 to 12 hours if you are a carbajal like maybe in a couple of days so in a 7-day fast in 10 healthy individuals the LDL went up by a whopping 70% 77070 percent