Training intensely in a deep ketogenic state can provide a similar hormetic stressor as extreme caloric deficits.

“for me a ketogenic state is treated as it should be for me which is a hormetic stressor I do it and I look at the train low studies you know the Sleep low studies and that's how I look at my ketogenic diet and I look at it in the sense of okay if I want to train in a very deprived State I can put myself in a caloric box and put myself in this extreme deficit or I can get a similar hormetic stressor by putting myself deep into a ketogenic State training at High intensities and then interestingly enough when I do introduce carbohydrates or fruit back into the picture more aggressively I actually feel like I'm getting dual benefit like I'm almost getting the that metabolic flexibility that I want”