that said any compound any compound can create a placebo type effect where we think we need something in order to achieve a certain effect we had a guest on this podcast some time ago Dr Ali Crum who's a professor at Stanford and works on these mindset effects belief effects and Placebo effects and Placebo effects can be very real and in some sense dovetail with any conversation about dependency meaning if you are somebody who loves your sleep supplements and sleeps great with them and one night you discover you don't have them or you can't access them for whatever reason that can create a little bit of an anxiety around the idea that oh in the in their absence you're not going to be able to sleep and that's a sort of a placebo effect in Reverse if you will because what it suggests is that there's a emotional or a cognitive association with taking these things that allows you to sleep well