Kangaroo meat consumption resulted in a slightly lower inflammatory response compared to wagyu beef.

“and the idea is is that okay if you repeat that for multiple months or you know you would probably potentially see a see a health effect and not mind is one with pecorino cheese which is cheese made from sheep milk pecorino sardinia italy the sheep raised on biodiverse mountain mountain pastures are amongst the most biodiverse pastures find we”

“so the idea is is that okay if you repeat that for multiple months or you know you would probably potentially see a see a health effect and not mind is one with pecorino cheese which is cheese made from sheep milk pecorino sardinia italy the sheep raised on biodiverse mountain mountain pastures are amongst the most biodiverse pastures find we find this in our work too we've done some work on the from with the rancher raises this cattle in uh the mountains of idaho glenn alzinga is his name all the spring ranch and he finishes animals on amount of pastures and those are amongst the most phytochemically rich bastards also been shown in french when animals are raised in on the pyrenees well anyway the sheepsheads raised in sardinia from sheep mill raised sardinia compared to a uh just commercially available uh cheese that was was a great fat they also showed that after 10 weeks it was half a pound of cheese a week that there was a lower at least chronic systemic inflammatory response so we have two studies going on right now we're looking at this uh short term so replicating that kangaroo with a kangaroo study was two different animals and the content was different between the kangaroo meat and the beef so now we're matching it for fat grass fed versus grain fat we also have a there's a third arm see what the responses are and we're also doing a long-term study with multiple weeks of of consumption uh seeing how that impacts uh uh multiple weak uh low-grade systemic inflammation in a fasted state so we're starting at post the post new response as well as responses to see if uh if on paper the grass would be look healthier we'll have a health benefit when consumed over time or we'll see yeah it's really fascinating stuff um it it's it's very interesting to me and it makes me wonder and i think it's a good it's yet another reason to think about voting with your dollars for grass-fed grass finished regeneratively raised beef maybe at the end of this podcast we'll get into a little bit of the ethics of eating meat maybe a little bit of the environmental stuff i don't know if we'll have time today but that's something that's a reason that i feel so good about supporting these farms this podcast is that clearly these meats appear to be evolutionarily consistent and beneficial for humans in many ways when i was with the hadza and i've joked that that is my uh that is my go-to refrain now but i did spend two weeks with the hadza in uh in february of this year um they're they're always eating animals that are eating a very biodiverse type of diet themselves now i want to say something because i think my audience will really find this interesting my perspective on these chemicals has shifted a little bit over time and i thought well i'm not convinced that these polygons and and reading this study about phytochemicals and beef that you published was one of the main things that got me thinking about this and i thought maybe they're not so bad for us after all but maybe i would prefer to get them from an animal that's more evolutionarily adapted to eating them than i am because i think of these herbivores as these sort of large plant processing facilities that have millions of years of evolution in their phase one and phase two detoxification to sort out which of these compounds are harmful and detoxify some of these compounds and and sort of sort out because i think that some of these phytochemicals may be beneficial for us and some of them are very clearly plant defense chemicals that are trying to do harm to us and so i i've been sort of thinking about this and mulling it over it was one of the reasons i was looking forward to this conversation but the way i see it now is like maybe there's an argument to be made for you know you're getting a salad in your meat when your meat is eating grass-fed is grasping it you know and regeneratively raised and so i thought that was quite interesting and i i do think that at least my hypothesis might be or where my mind has gone now is like maybe these compounds aren't harmful for us or maybe it's just beneficial to get them uh via proxy of an animal that's already processed them properly as an evolutionary herbivore i just i kind of come back to this and as you know i'm not sure how familiar with my work uh you are but i i've become a fan of fruit in the last uh year for a few years um originally i kind of i mean i i must say that i i was one of those zealous people who thought no fructose is bad for humans i too was misled and i will fully admit that that i've changed my mind and evolved and continued to learn over the last few years so i don't fear fruit and but i do see some sort of a a difference between fruit and quote vegetables those often get lumped in and i see vegetables as like the leaves and the stems and the roots of plants along with the seeds quote-unquote and i see these this is just my perspective you may not agree and i'll certainly get your thoughts on this too these are these are all phytochemical rich but these are the parts of a plant that plants don't want to get eaten quote unquote and so the question that i”