Paul Saladino· MD
I've since the beginning of my sort of exploration of the carnivore diet in the carnivore world I've been a big fan of eating nose to tail and if we I think I fear that if we overeat on muscle needs and we overeat on lean meat we're going to be missing a large amount of nutrients and specifically we're missing things like copper or missing things like B vitamins like biotin and folate and and riboflavin which are found in small amounts in muscle meat but not high amounts and so in terms of micronutrients I think that's a really really big key to satiety and ultimately what we're talking about here and again we have to be careful whether we are having the discussion in the context of performance or whether we are having the discussion in the context of weight loss and I think those are very different discussions and throughout both of those discussions what we want to achieve is micronutrient adequacy and micronutrient probably surplus in many cases and we want to achieve satiety even if someone wants four form well we want them to have society and if someone's going to lose weight we want to be able to achieve satiety in the same sense and so I think that that's the micronutrients are key there I would not emphasize protein in the same way to Ted might I would emphasize micronutrient status before I wouldn't emphasize the protein goals and I think that one of the key things that we need to get micronutrients is real animal fat not processed animal fat I think that there's another delineation there to make for people that process the animal fats rendered tallow liquid fats are not the same as real animal fat I think the real animal fat is going to be much more micro nutrient rich I think it's an incredibly rich sources of fat soluble nutrients specifically vitamin k2 if we look at animal fats in general there are some known animal fats that have been measured for instance like duck fat or emu oil which are incredibly high in k2 specifically mk4 and though I mean those are incredible sources of nutrients that we should not avoid and if we are so worried about adding fat to our diet I fear that we will both not absorb the fat soluble nutrients and we will not get enough of the fat soluble nutrients so I think fat is a key portion of the human diet and I would actually do the reverse of Ted in this case again the context is everything and the individuals goals must be taken into consideration but I would argue that we should look for micronutrients first fat second and then protein again keeping in mind that we don't want to dip too low on protein but there's a sweet spot for protein with regard to the upper end of limit for protein I mean Ted is describing experiment that I'm not familiar than I haven't seen the details I've seen it much much lower than that there's a paper that I was reading this morning called a review of issues of dietary protein intake in humans from 2006 and it suggests they give a tight a table in there for the upper limit of protein consumption based on kilograms and based on the mean urea excretion rate the mean rate of urea synthesis excuse me and so you know for someone like myself I'm about close to 80 kilograms the upper limit of of protein can and for me is quite high but not as high as 600 according to this chart that they're giving in the table which is again just one source the upper limit for me is between 285 and 325 grams of protein now the reason there's a variable there is based on a polymorphism or a series of polymorphisms in the urea cycle this may get too granular for people in but if they are interested they might find interesting there are a number of enzymes in the urea cycle that we use to process ammonia or specifically that we used to make nitrogen groups into urea and I know that I personally have a polymorphism in ornithine transcarbamylase it's an enzyme called OTC and when we have a polymorphism that we are not as efficient at fixing protein into fixing nitrogenous bases into urea and so my personal and upper-end of protein is probably lower than someone that doesn't have that polymorphism there are cases of deaths in bodybuilders consuming in the range of you know three to four hundred grams of protein I mean it's an isolated case but if someone has a polymorphism in some of the enzymes in the urea cycle they could push quite they could push into that realm quite easily in the realm of bodybuilding and I think you're