Mike Israetel trained naturally for 12 years and achieved excellent gains, but wanted to use steroids to see that road of progress lengthened.

“yeah there's probably like three reasons maybe why I decided to do steroids one is uh back when I was coming up natural everything drug free powerlifting bodybuilding etc was very nent and very um irrelevant unfortunately very unfortunately it's much more relevant now I think it's a beautiful thing so in order to be taken seriously as someone who knew things you just had to look like you knew things and so the people that looked like they knew things were gigantic juice monsters and I was like [ __ ], it, let's do it”